Something has gone wrong with Windows 10 update 1809, codenamed ‘Redstone 5’.
The scheduled update (build 17763), is the second of two that Microsoft planned for 2018 offering new features. It appeared on 2 October, after which serious complaints started rolling in. The most common was that files and settings were being deleted. Wrote one user:
Logged in first time, all looked fine. After a reboot and subsequent logon, I came to find that my profile had been deleted! Nothing remained, no data on the desktop, no settings… nothing.
Problems after major Windows updates aren’t unheard of but the consistency of the problems eventually caught Microsoft’s attention. On 6 October, almost four days after the update appeared, Microsoft did something it has never had to do in the download history of Windows:
We have paused the rollout of the Windows 10 October 2018 Update (version 1809)* for all users as we investigate isolated reports of users missing some files after updating.
What went wrong?
All there is to go on right now are symptoms. The common thread is that files are being deleted, with one user mentioning the loss of 220GB of files dating back to Windows 95 from the default Documents folder.
The faulty update also seems to be deleting user profiles on the first reboot after installation:
So this “update” deleted the whole User-Profile, including all corresponding Registry entries. But did not do so during the update, but on the next boot.
Other problems include users not being able to save Word documents, which may or may not be part of the same issue.
What to do?
Microsoft has paused the update, so if you’ve not downloaded it you won’t be able to until Microsoft thinks it has solved the underlying problem. When 1809 reappears, it is strongly advised that users do what they should do before applying any OS update – back up valuable files first.
That leaves three types of user – those who’ve updated and had problems, those who’ve updated and not had problems but perhaps worry they might at some point, and those who downloaded but have not applied the update.
If you’ve applied the update and lost files: Microsoft support has recommended using System Restore to a return to a point before the update was applied. It might still be possible to recover files if the installation hasn’t deleted them but merely lost its file system pointers to their location on the hard drive.
Hopefully, Microsoft support will offer remote file recovery support or, failing that, offer a utility to do the same for users with the skills to use such a thing.
Note, however, the more you use your Windows PC the more of that data risks being overwritten with new files, not simply ones created by users but invisibly by Windows itself. If you value your data, hold off using the computer for a few days.
If you’ve applied the update and not had problems: This is a good moment to look again at backup, which can be set up cheaply and easily using an external hard drive running a continuous backup program. Using a cloud backup service is a good second layer of defence (Office 365 Home subscriptions get 1TB per user if space is an issue).
If you’ve downloaded but not yet applied the update: If you’re in this category, you probably manually downloaded the update before it automatically triggered, and the simple answer is don’t apply it.
Unfortunately, the level of control you have over how and when Windows applies major OS updates depends on the version. If it’s a Windows 10 Pro or Windows 10 Enterprise install, you can delay this and all future updates by opting into the Semi-Annual Channel instead of the Semi-Annual Channel (targeted). This delays new versions by up to two months after they first become available, by which time issues are more likely to have been ironed out.
This setting is accessed from Update & Security > Windows Update > Advanced Options.
However, if you’re a Windows 10 Home user, you can’t pause updates. The only option is to stop the Windows Update service, which involves delving into the command line or PowerShell. The big disadvantage of this is that it will stop all updates, including Patch Tuesday security fixes, which is why we don’t recommend doing this.
That should be the first lesson from any internal Microsoft inquest – why do home users have no way to stop updates as a last resort? In theory, Microsoft pauses updates for this group on their behalf. However, in this instance, it took nearly four days to do that after complaints about Windows 10 1809 first surfaced.
TheAngryIntern
The worst part is apparently people in the Insider Preview program reported the bug months ago and MS still released the update. I was lucky, updated right away and have had no issues.
Estrelita Lane
BTW, the April update was just as bad. I got around problems only for another “security” update to roll in that I could only pause for 15 hours, or wha6rhat setting is!! I lost 2 months of my life dealing with it. The egregious behavior by Windows is the problem!
Estrelita Lane
Yup, that was me. I got the update early, wrote Microsoft feedback about 2-5 times a week, for over a month. I had no resources until days later when everyone had problems and started posting them!! Windows did nothing. The patches were worse than then problems. I had to send my computer in to HP, and now it’s back and I am not going to use Windows 10. This is exactly why, and I do not understand why people in the industry, and in these chat sites are surprised?!;
AngryNerd
Using System Restore is a moronic idea and I’m surprised that Microsoft support is even recommending it. System Restore does not even touch user’s files. Doing a System Restore would only lead to more data being overwritten and thus decreasing the likelihood that a file recovery software would be able to recover anything,
RobSez
“What to do?” Switch to Linux. I had been tinkering with various Linux distributions for about 2 years. I’m self-employed and thought I had done a good job blocking Windows 10. Unfortunately a day before a major presentation M$ pushed past my preferred settings and forced WinX bricking my laptop. I had Linux Mint installed and all my data migrated by lunchtime. I had Mint fully configured to my liking by dinner. I lost a whole day of work. I keep a Win8.1 Virtual Box with NO network access just in case. It’s been almost two years now and I never use it anymore. In fact I no longer use any M$ products or services. Yes, there’s a learning curve, but it’s worth not fighting the alternative.
Chris
Unfortunately, Linux is simply not feasible for the vast majority of general computer users. I’ve used it on and off for a decade, and it still proves to be unnecessarily frustrating to configure and maintain. And that’s on top of the general lack of quality applications. I would honestly love for this not to be the case… but it is.
anthonymaw
This is nuts. I do computer tech support for friends and relatives and have seen this happen already. System Restore feature takes many many hours and is sometimes unsuccessful ending in “something went wrong….” Yes having a data backup on an external disk drive is a must but the built in Windows utility is awkward to the point of being useless. The best Windows backup utility is actually robocopy.exe but it’s command-line only.
Mark Stockley
You say “command line only” like it’s a _bad_ thing ;)
Steve
I love the command line, but for the average user it is NOT an acceptable solution.
Chris
Check out RoboMirror, it’s a GUI front end for RoboCopy. I’ve been using it for years to handle easy, reliable backups.
Raj
Oops.. Microsoft did it again! :D This happened to one of their updates last year too! They are consistent.
Sally Barber
My most annoying problem is that my system keeps crashing when using Microsoft solitaire challenges. As a result I am not able to finish by the deadline.
John Dunlap
When update finished & I was told to restart, my whole system locked up. I could log onto NOTHING! My local repair guy says he can fix it. I’m guessing it’ll cost me about $100. Do you suppose Microsoft will be tickled to reimburse me? No? 😥
Jim Gersetich
It is absolutely unacceptable to not have the ability to upgrade when WE want to (vs. when they do). And, since this isn’t the first Windows 10 release that went badly, they should know better than to force these on their customers. All they want is to chalk up numbers on a chart nowadays. It’s sickening.
MDTimme
I lost an entire e-mail profile and the e-mails in it
Bleeping Computer
I have a major virus on my computer that renders it useless. It goes by the name Microsoft Windows 10.
Steven
As pointed out by Raj, this DID happen before, on an earlier Win 10 update.
bscfrnd
It’s hard to imagine they do not have the ability to test this before the screw customers up. I keep saying next computer I’m going Mac. I’ve been fighting this windows problematic platform to long.
Carla
I went to Mac two years ago after windows bricked my laptop complained to Microsoft and their answer was oh you will need to buy a new windows 10 disc this was after I tried to do a recovery to reinstall windows and they even had deleted that, Never will I buy Microsoft products again and best thing I ever did was go to a Mac which just works even the updates too is a breeze
bscfrnd
Yes I’m just sick of it sll
Dave
Just wondering, Does the “Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool” remove Windows 10?
John
Has anyone heard of issues with a fresh iso install of 1809? Curious if the upgrade process is the issue or the OS build itself.
Damo
SNAP! two days in a row, John. Great work, love your articles, content is well written and relevant; was wondering why my other pcs wouldn’t update…
John
After reading this I created a new system restore point and did a back up to external drive. No sign of the new update. But this morning when closing down it offered an update and shut down. Has this been fixed?
Paul Ducklin
Was the new update labelled as “1809” (which is like a whole new released Windows version, what in the olden days might have been denoted 10.3 or something like it) or just the security update you’d expect at this time of the month, it being the day after Patch Tuesday?
My guess is that any update you’re offered today is going to be the latest security patches, given that “1809” is no longer up for download.
Simon McAllister
KB4464330 now appears in Windows Update – which claims to fix this issue.
Mkkie
Great! But I already upgraded and “my doc” are gone…
Of course without back up – I have no idea I need that! And for a few days was searching on good software. Recovered with DiskInternals software (Uneraser). They have a discount for software all October. Maybe, for someone that information be helpful.
PS Back up! Doesn’t matter that they fixed the bug.
Paula
I only installed Windows 10 today on my new HP Desktop Computer and they were originally there but now they’re gone. Please advise urgently. Thank you.
Paula
Thank you must have been fixed in last update.
TERRI
Your update wiped my lap top out!!! WTH!! I HAVE NOTHING! Thanks a lot.
Schylge MynLantse
The fact that, even when you have disabled ALL the settings to stop updates it comes automatically.
The first time I noticed this, I thought I forgot to change the settings back to “disable”.
I even made screenshots with dates one it to be sure.
WTF! A few weeks later I came home and got the question “do you want to install the updates now or later” on the screen.
WHAT updates????!!! I have disabled all the settings!!!
Checked the screenshots, they WERE disabled. Checked the settings for the moment. They were enabled. Partly.
Partly enough to let MS install the updates automatically.
That is intrusion! It is my computer, my software. I paid for it. I own it.
It is like a burglar coming into your house and not robbing anything but change the places where things were, adding something. I am sure that this is NOT allowed by law.
WFT is it allowed for MS to do this?!