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US nuclear weapons command finally ditches 8-inch floppies

The disks are part of the command centres that run the country’s nuclear missile deterrent on behalf of SACCS.

Imagine a computer system based on the 1970’s-era IBM Series/1 and 8-inch floppy drives and most people would assume you’re describing a museum piece kept alive by enthusiasts.

And yet, such a computer system ranks as one of the most important in the world – so critical in fact that nobody has wanted to change or upgrade it since it was built nearly half a century ago.

It sits in bunkers across the US, part of the command centres that run the country’s nuclear missile deterrent on behalf of the Strategic Automated Command and Control System (SACCS).

Surprised? You shouldn’t be. But what matters is that SACCS finally spies a hardware upgrade as part of a $400 billion, 10-year programme to modernise the US’s military nuclear technology.

This programme has been public knowledge for a while but a detail that might have escaped public attention is the recently reported intention to ditch 8-inch floppies in favour of a contemporary, presumably encrypted, storage equivalent.

Strangelove

They’ve been using 8-inch floppy disks all this time?

Trying to visualise this might be hard for some readers who hail from an era after such portable storage existed.

According to the format’s Wikipedia entry, these appeared in 1973 with the later examples reaching the then impressive data capacity of 1.2MB.

Then the more convenient 5.25-inch floppy disk appeared in the 1980s with the advent of the PC and the 8-inch floppy slowly disappeared.

It’s easy to gloat at the apparent backwardness of this but systems of such importance are designed primarily to work rather than to be up to date.

Do the newest technologies work better than the old ones? In some cases, no. In a sector built on certainty, the 8-incher worked because it was compatible with the hardware.

Said Lieutenant Colonel Jason Rossi, 595th Strategic Communications Squadron commander, quoted by C4isrnet:

You can’t hack something that doesn’t have an IP address. It’s the age that provides that security.

Not, in fact, strictly true – you can hack computers that don’t have an IP address.

Doing that involves either gaining direct access to the computer or working out how to reach it across an air gap.

But he has a point all the same – hacking this would require the attacker to bridge that gap using another 8-inch disk, something that few nation-states would be able to sneak into a locked console room.

Ironically, one reason they’re getting rid of them is not their age but that the systems are becoming challenging to repair, mainly because the expertise is no longer there.

Add the extra training time required to use a system unlike any in the 21st Century and the time for change had arrived.

According to the report, one thing that has changed over time is the software, but even that must be a challenge on such an old computer deck.

The US military is coy about what will replace the equipment, but it will presumably be something faster and more powerful.

19 Comments

“The US military is coy about what will replace the equipment, but it will presumably be something faster and more powerful.”

Please, oh please let it be Zip disk.. Those things were awesome.

All 100MB of it! Yep, used them too. Still got some around too. I wonder if they still work?

“Doing that involves either gaining direct access to the computer or working out how to reach it across an air gap.”
How about receiving “software updates” for changing mission requirements. I had a supervisor at [company name redacted] that received a disk from IT with personnel information for end of year evaluations. We found malware on the disk; he really blew it. Something like, not being able to trust even data/disks from the IT department! LOL: and this was before the 21st century.

I was at a conference one time; they were saying that some nuclear power plants in the US still used PDP-11’s for its operations. And that they were not going to change, because they didn’t want the control systems on the internet.

The reason why this came up was that they couldn’t find the right programmers to work with these computers since most modern computer science classes anymore don’t teach assembly language and hardware that is as old as a PDP-11.

Yep, the Zip died untimely, just like the MO disk. Last time I used a floppy floppy was in 1993.

I actually used these diskettes in a 2 drive system I designed in 1973 to run a POS system I created in my auto parts store in Pompton Lakes NJ! I had a box of these diskettes which I acquired the drives from a company that used them and closed in Wayne NJ many years ago. The system was an old toy game computer I got the hardware to program it from a friend in the game design in California and worked out my own eventual OS to drive the units and had 220 volts installed to use them. Yes Point of Sale in 1973, no one ever knew what it meant at that time. I had also replaced my entire inventory card system table as well.
Ray C.

Yeah, I remember 8″ floppies! In fact I’m pretty sure I’ve still got an unopened box of them plus a few loose ones in the loft. And a couple of half-hight 8″ floppy drives too – how cool is that? No controller though. But that shouldn’t be too hard in this day and age with an Arduino if I were to put my mind to it. Hey, I’m warming to this. Did you say Lieutenant Colonel Jason Rossi had a job vacancy?

The coolest thing about 8″ floppies though was the stick-on labels that came with them. Ideal for use as address labels. Like 80 column punched cards – ideal for shopping lists and lecture notes. Anyone got a fistful going spare?

Perhaps they’ll upgrade to Windows XP…
None the less, if the 8” floppy drive can be seen by DOS, Steve Gibson’s SpinRite will keep it alive 😉
I wonder if they might use SQRL as a secure single factor means of authentication?

I have SpinRite, but the 3 floppy drives on my 1978 TRS-80 Model 1 are so old, they don’t spin at a speed close enough to 300rpm to be able to read the disk the program is on. I should have made a backup on the audio cassette tapes the TRS-80 used for programs before the disk drives. I can still load the original Backgammon and Message programs that came with the computer, thanks to my Accu-Data box made by Alphanetics.
The TRS-80 still boots to the Ready prompt and can load tapes just fine, but I REALLY need to get the floppies working again so I can use the other boot disk to access the 20 megabyte hard drive (about the size of a shoebox). The hard drive has all the rest of my stuff on it.

if you feel like fixing those 8″ floppy drives, you should try adding some sewing machine oil in the center part of the motors.

Series/1 was a fine product. One of the chips I designed was used in one of its feature cards to support the old Prodigy system.

But what I really wanted to write about was the 8-inch floppies. Those old low-data-density floppies are much more reliable and robust than newer ones for the simple reason that the magnetic domains (bits) are physically larger and it takes a correspondingly larger (squared) impulse to upset them.

Can’t really subscribe to the “reliable” part – reliable compared to? The 4969 Magnetic Tape Subsystem (made in Italy)?
Used them on a Series/1 running RPS. Tended to degrade after a while. Recoverable read errors resulted in automatic reallocation if the bad sector. IIRC no more than 10 of these were acceptable – one more and the OS no longer accepted the diskette. This applied also to an (emergency) copy. You listened for the telltale noise from the head assembly, counting the occurrences to perform the copy in time. A count of ten suggested, well, mild panic :)

I own an office supply store, I sold my last box of 8″ disks a few months ago that I had in stock. Have been selling the 5 1/4 on Ebay the last few months, I can’t believe how quick they go once put up there. Believe I have some zip disk, plus a bunch of data cartridges. I was about ready to dumpsterize them, but decide to throw them up there and see what happened. Guess some one is still using them

“Then the more convenient 5.25-inch floppy disk appeared in the 1980s with the advent of the PC and the 8-inch floppy slowly disappeared.”

The 5.25″ diskette actually predated the IBM PC by about 6 years, as it was introduced in 1976. My introduction to the little bugger was a year or two later when I was trained to service the new IBM 3031 mainframe, for which its 3036 operation & maintenance console used a 5.25″ diskette drive to load the microcode for the system, as well as loading diagnostics. My fellow field engineers and I were amazed at the incredibly small size and the vast data capacity… I can’t recall for certain, but it was something between 120K-160K. WOW! Boy, how times have changed. :)

“something faster and more powerful”, hopefully as it will really cost the taxpayer to go that slow again… :D

Perhaps they’ll upgrade to Windows XP…
None the less, if the 8” floppy drive can be seen by DOS, Steve Gibson’s SpinRite will keep it alive ;)

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